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[CLJ-1515] Reify the result of range Created: 29/Aug/14  Updated: 31/Oct/14

Status: Open
Project: Clojure
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: Release 1.7
Fix Version/s: Release 1.7

Type: Enhancement Priority: Major
Reporter: Timothy Baldridge Assignee: Unassigned
Resolution: Unresolved Votes: 1
Labels: None

Attachments: File patch.diff     File range-patch3.diff     File reified-range4.diff    
Patch: Code and Test
Approval: Incomplete

 Description   

Currently range simply returns a lazy seq. If the return value of range were reified into a type (as it is in ClojureScript) we could optimize many functions on that resulting type. Some operations such as count and nth become O(1) in this case, while others such as reduce could receive a performance boost do to the reduced number of allocations.

Approach: this patch revives the unused (but previously existing) clojure.lang.Range class. This class acts as a lazy seq and implements several other appropriate interfaces such as Counted and Indexed. This type is implemented in Java since range is needed fairly on in core.clj before deftype is defined. The attached patch uses Numbers.* methods for all math due to the input types to range being unknown. The class also supplies a .iterator() method which allows for allocation free reducing over range.

Note: this code keeps backwards compatibility with the existing range code. This means some parts of the class (mostly relating to a step size of 0) are a bit more complex than desired, but these bits were needed to get all the tests to pass.

Note: this code does not preserve the chunked-seq nature of the original range. The fact that range used to return chunked seqs was not published in the doc strings and so it was removed to allow for simpler code in Range.java.

Performance:
(timings done at the repl run via java -jar)

(dotimes [x 100] (time (dotimes [x 1] (count (range (* 1024 1024))))))
master => 80-110ms
patch => 0.014ms


(dotimes [x 100] (time (dotimes [x 1] (reduce + (map inc (range (* 1024 1024)))))))
master => 76-87ms
patch => 340-360ms


(dotimes [x 100] (time (dotimes [x 1] (reduce + (map inc (map inc (range (* 1024 1024))))))))
master => 97-123ms
patch=> 490-577ms



(dotimes [x 100] (time (dotimes [x 1] (count (filter odd? (range (* 1024 1024)))))))
master => 87-104ms
patch => 370-330ms


(dotimes [x 100] (time (dotimes [x 1] (transduce (comp (map inc) (map inc)) + (range (* 1024 1024))))))
master=>76-116ms
patch => 44ms-59ms

Patch: reified-range4.diff (some tests fail)



 Comments   
Comment by Alex Miller [ 29/Aug/14 3:19 PM ]

1) Not sure about losing chunked seqs - that would make older usage slower, which seems undesirable.
2) RangeIterator.next() needs to throw NoSuchElementException when walking off the end
3) I think Range should implement IReduce instead of relying on support for CollReduce via Iterable.
4) Should let _hash and _hasheq auto-initialize to 0 not set to -1. As is, I think _hasheq always would be -1?
5) _hash and _hasheq should be transient.
6) count could be cached (like hash and hasheq). Not sure if it's worth doing that but seems like a win any time it's called more than once.
7) Why the change in test/clojure/test_clojure/serialization.clj ?
8) Can you squash into a single commit?

Comment by Timothy Baldridge [ 29/Aug/14 3:40 PM ]

1) I agree, adding chunked seqs to this will dramatically increase complexity, are we sure we want this?
2) exception added
3) I can add IReduce, but it'll pretty much just duplicate the code in protocols.clj. If we're sure we want that I'll add it too.
4) fixed hash init values, defaults to -1 like ASeq
5) hash fields are now transient
6) at the cost of about 4 bytes we can cache the cost of a multiplication and an addition, doesn't seem worth it?
7) the tests in serialization.clj assert that the type of the collection roundtrips. This is no longer the case for range which starts as Range and ends as a list. The change I made converts range into a list so that it properly roundtrips. My assumption is that we shouldn't rely on all implementations of ISeq to properly roundtrip through EDN.
8) squashed.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 29/Aug/14 3:49 PM ]

6) might be useful if you're walking through it with nth, which hits count everytime, but doubt that's common
7) yep, reasonable

Comment by Andy Fingerhut [ 18/Sep/14 6:52 AM ]

I have already pointed out to Edipo in personal email the guidelines on what labels to use for Clojure JIRA tickets here: http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Creating+Tickets

Comment by Timothy Baldridge [ 19/Sep/14 10:02 AM ]

New patch with IReduce directly on Range instead of relying on iterators

Comment by Alex Miller [ 01/Oct/14 2:00 PM ]

The new patch looks good. Could you do a test to determine the perf difference from walking the old chunked seq vs the new version? If the perf diff is negligible, I think we can leave as is.

Another idea: would it make sense to have a specialized RangeLong for the (very common) case where start, end, and step could all be primitive longs? Seems like this could help noticeably.

Comment by Timothy Baldridge [ 03/Oct/14 10:00 AM ]

Looks like chunked seqs do make lazy seq code about 5x faster in these tests.

Comment by Ghadi Shayban [ 03/Oct/14 10:22 AM ]

I think penalizing existing code possibly 5x is a hard cost to stomach. Is there another approach where a protocolized range can live outside of core? CLJ-993 has a patch that makes it a reducible source in clojure.core.reducers, but it's coll-reduce not IReduce, and doesn't contain an Iterator. Otherwise we might have to take the chunked seq challenge.

Alex: Re long/float. Old reified Ranged.java in clojure.lang blindly assumes ints, it would be nice to have a long vs. float version, though I believe the contract of reduce boxes numbers. (Unboxed math can be implemented very nicely as in Prismatic's Hiphip array manipulation library, which takes the long vs float specialization to the extreme with different namespaces)

Comment by Timothy Baldridge [ 03/Oct/14 10:38 AM ]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we push unboxed math all the way down through transducers. Instead, this patch contains a lot of calls to Numbers.*, if we were to assume that the start end and step params of range are all Longs, then we could remove all of these calls and only box when returning an Object (in .first) or when calling IFn.invoke (inside .reduce)

Comment by Alex Miller [ 03/Oct/14 10:46 AM ]

I agree that 5x slowdown is too much - I don't think we can give up chunked seqs if that's the penalty.

On the long case, I was suggesting what Tim is talking about, in the case of all longs, create a Range that stores long prims and does prim math, but still return boxed objects as necessary. I think the only case worth optimizing is all longs - the permutation of other options gets out of hand quickly.

Comment by Ghadi Shayban [ 03/Oct/14 11:00 AM ]

Tim, I'm not suggesting unboxed math, but the singular fast-path of all-Longs that you and Alex describe. I mistakenly lower-cased Long/Float.

Comment by Timothy Baldridge [ 31/Oct/14 11:30 AM ]

Here's the latest work on this, a few tests fail. If someone wants to take a look at this patch feel free, otherwise I'll continue to work on it as I have time/energy.





[CLJ-1330] Class name clash between top-level functions and defn'ed ones Created: 22/Jan/14  Updated: 29/Oct/14

Status: Reopened
Project: Clojure
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: None
Fix Version/s: Release 1.7

Type: Defect Priority: Critical
Reporter: Nicola Mometto Assignee: Unassigned
Resolution: Unresolved Votes: 8
Labels: aot, compiler

Attachments: Text File 0001-CLJ-1093-v3-no-locals-improv.patch     Text File 0001-CLJ-1093-v3.patch     Text File 0001-CLJ-1330-remove-local-binding-name-enhancement.patch     File demo1.clj    
Patch: Code
Approval: Incomplete

 Description   

Named anonymous fn's are not guaranteed to have unique class names when AOT-compiled.

For example:

(defn g [])
(def xx (fn g []))

When AOT-compiled both functions will emit user$g.class, the latter overwriting the former.

Impact: this affects apps like Cursive, which has been using a patched version of Clojure to get around this issue for quite a while.

Demonstration script: demo1.clj

Patch: 0001-CLJ-1093-v3.patch

Approach: Generate unique class names for named fn's the same way as for unnamed anonymous fn's.
The patch contains an additional enhancement to include the name of the local binding in the class name.

Comparison between pre and post patch naming scheme (N denotes unique number):

code before after note
(defn a []) user$a user$a same
(fn []) user$evalN$fn__N user$evalN$fn__N same
(fn a []) user$evalN$a__N user$evaN$a__N same
(let [a (fn [])] a) user$evalN$a__N user$evalN$a__N same
(let [a (fn x [])] a) user$eval1N$x__N user$evalN$a_x_N IMPROVED - contains local binding name
(def a (fn [])) user$a user$a same
(def a (fn x [])) user$x user$a_x_N FIXED conflict with (defn x [])
(def ^{:foo (fn [])} a) user$fn__N user$fn__N same
(def ^{:foo (fn a [])} a) user$a user$a__N FIXED conflict with (defn a [])
(def a (fn [] (fn []))) user$a$fn__N user$a$fn__N same
(def a (fn [] (fn x []))) user$a$x__N user$a$x__N same

See also: This patch also fixes the issue reported in CLJ-1227.

Screened by: Alex Miller - I am not sure whether the local binding name enhancement is worth doing. It improves debugging of which anonymous class you're talking about but has the downsides of increasing class name (and file name) length.



 Comments   
Comment by Ambrose Bonnaire-Sergeant [ 22/Jan/14 11:12 AM ]

This seems like the reason why jvm.tools.analyzer cannot analyze clojure.core. On analyzing a definline, there is an "attempted duplicate class definition" error.

This doesn't really matter, but I thought it may or may not be useful information to someone.

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 22/Jan/14 11:35 AM ]

Attached a fix.

This also fixes AOT compiling of code like:

(def x (fn foo []))
(fn foo [])
Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 22/Jan/14 11:39 AM ]

Cleaned up patch

Comment by Alex Miller [ 22/Jan/14 12:43 PM ]

It looks like the patch changes indentation of some of the code - can you fix that?

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 22/Jan/14 3:57 PM ]

Updated patch without whitespace changes

Comment by Alex Miller [ 22/Jan/14 4:15 PM ]

Thanks, that's helpful.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 24/Jan/14 10:03 AM ]

There is consensus that this is a problem, however this is an area of the code with broad impacts as it deals with how classes are named. To that end, there is some work that needs to be done in understanding the impacts before we can consider it.

Some questions we would like to answer:

1) According to Rich, naming of (fn x []) function classes used to work in the manner of this patch - with generated names. Some code archaeology needs to be done on why that was changed and whether the change to the current behavior was addressing problems that we are likely to run into.

2) Are there issues with recursive functions? Are there impacts either in AOT or non-AOT use cases? Need some tests.

3) Are there issues with dynamic redefinition of functions? With the static naming scheme, redefinition causes a new class of the same name which can be picked up by reload of classes compiled to the old definition. With the dynamic naming scheme, redefinition will create a differently named class so old classes can never pick up a redefinition. Is this a problem? What are the impacts with and without AOT? Need some tests.

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 24/Jan/14 11:39 AM ]

Looks like the current behaviour has been such since https://github.com/clojure/clojure/commit/4651e60808bb459355a3a5d0d649c4697c672e28

My guess is that Rich simply forgot to consider the (def y (fn x [] ..)) case.

Regarding 2 and 3, the dynamic naming scheme is no different than what happens for anonymous functions so I don't see how this could cause any issue.

Recursion on the fn arg is simply a call to .invoke on "this", it's classname unaware.

I can add some tests to test that

(def y (fn x [] 1))
and
(fn x [] 2)
compile to different classnames but other than that I don't see what should be tested.

Comment by Stuart Halloway [ 27/Jun/14 2:17 PM ]

incomplete pending the answers to Alex Miller's questions in the comments

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 27/Jun/14 3:20 PM ]

I believe I already answered his questions, I'll try to be a bit more explicit:
I tracked the relevant commit from Rich which added the dynamic naming behaviour https://github.com/clojure/clojure/commit/4651e60808bb459355a3a5d0d649c4697c672e28#diff-f17f860d14163523f1e1308ece478ddbL3081 which clearly shows that this bug was present since then so.

Regarding redefinitions or recursive functions, both of those operations never take in account the generated fn name so they are unaffected.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 12/Sep/14 4:32 PM ]

Summarizing some cases here from before/after the patch:

1) top-level fn (always has name)
	1.6 - namespace$name
	patch - namespace$name
2) non-top-level fn with name
	1.6 - namespace$name (collides with prior case)
	patch - namespace$topname__x__name  	<-- CHANGED
3) anonymous fn (no name)
	1.6 - namespace$name$fn__x
	patch - namespace$name$fn__x
4) top-level anonymous fn (no name, not at all useful :)
	1.6 - namespace$fn__x
	patch - namespace$fn__x

The key problem is that the first 2 cases produce the identical class name on 1.6. The patch alters the non-top-level named fn so there is no conflict.

Prior to the referenced old commit, I believe cases 1 and 2 would both produce namespace$name__x (where x is unique) so they would not collide. The change was made to prevent the top-level name from changing ("don't append numbers on top-level fn class names"). While the similar change was made on non-top-level fn names, I do not think it needed to be.

I've thought through (and tried) a bunch of the implications of this with the help of Nicola's comments above and I do not see an issue with any of the things I've considered. From a binary compatibility point of view with existing AOT code, old code compiled together should be self-consistent and continue to work. New compiled code will also be consistent. I can't think of a way that new code would expect to know the old name of a non-top-level function such that there could be an issue.

One question - why change the code such that the new class name is namespace$name$topname__x__name instead of namespace$name$topname_name__x (or something else?). And relatedly, while the diff is small, could we refactor a couple more lines to make the intent and cases clearer?

I am 90% ok with this patch but want a little thought into that question before I mark screened.

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 12/Sep/14 4:47 PM ]

Alex, the attached patch munges into ns$topname__name__x, not into ns$topname__x__name.

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 12/Sep/14 5:22 PM ]

The attached patch 0001-Fix-CLJ-1330refactored.patch contains the same fix from 0001-FixCLJ-1330-make-top-level-named-functions-classnam.patch but also refactors the code that deals with fn name munging

Comment by Alex Miller [ 12/Sep/14 6:22 PM ]

Hmmm.. I will double-check. That's not why I recall seeing when I did AOT.

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 12/Sep/14 7:26 PM ]

New patch 0001-CLJ-1093-v2.patch improves the fn naming scheme a lot.
I've threw together a number of test cases that show the improvement + bug fixes:

user=> (fn [])
;; pre:
#<user$eval1$fn__2 user$eval1$fn__2@4e13aa4e>
;; post: (no change)
#<user$eval1$fn__3 user$eval1$fn__3@3c92218c>
user=> (fn a [])
;; pre:
#<user$eval5$a__6 user$eval5$a__6@6946a317>
;; post: (no change)
#<user$eval6$a__8 user$eval6$a__8@6f85c59c>
user=> (let [a (fn [])] a)
;; pre:
#<user$eval9$a__10 user$eval9$a__10@15fdf894>
;; post: (no change)
#<user$eval11$a__13 user$eval11$a__13@4d051922>
user=> (let [a (fn x [])] a)
;; pre: (only contains the name of the fn)
#<user$eval17$x__18 user$eval17$x__18@7f0cd67f>
;; post: (contains the name of the local aswell as the name of the fn
#<user$eval21$a__x__23 user$eval21$a__x__23@528ef256>
user=> (def a (fn [])) a
#'user/a
;; pre:
#<user$a user$a@33e1ccbc>
;; post: (no change)
#<user$a user$a@6bef63f9>
user=> (def a (fn x [])) a
#'user/a
;; pre: (BUG!)
#<user$x user$x@59a04a1b> 
;; post: (bug fixed)
#<user$a__x__28 user$a__x__28@5f0bebef>
user=> (def ^{:foo (fn [])} a) (-> (meta #'a) :foo)
#'user/a
;; pre:
#<user$fn__23 user$fn__23@d9c21c6>
;; post: (no change)
#<user$fn__30 user$fn__30@4cf0f2eb>
user=> (def ^{:foo (fn a [])} a) (-> (meta #'a) :foo)
#'user/a
;; pre: (BUG!)
#<user$a user$a@420dd874>
;; post: (bug fixed)
#<user$a__35 user$a__35@37ff95a9>
user=> (def a (fn [] (fn []))) (a)
#'user/a
;; pre:
#<user$a$fn__30 user$a$fn__30@6f57be76>
;; post: (no change)
#<user$a$fn__41 user$a$fn__41@fd34eac>
user=> (def a (fn [] (fn x []))) (a)
#'user/a
;; pre:
#<user$a$x__35 user$a$x__35@79930089>
;; post: (no change)
#<user$a$x__48 user$a$x__48@6fc334de>
user=> (let [x (fn [])] (def a (fn [] x))) a (a)
#'user/a
;; pre:
#<user$eval40$a__43 user$eval40$a__43@6db1694e>
#<user$eval40$x__41 user$eval40$x__41@20bd16bb>
;; post (no change)
#<user$eval54$a__58 user$eval54$a__58@7c721de>
#<user$eval54$x__56 user$eval54$x__56@43f7b41b>
user=> (let [x (fn a [])] (def a (fn [] x))) (a)
#'user/a
;; pre: (the local binding name doesn't appear in the class name)
#<user$eval48$a__49 user$eval48$a__49@75d6d1d4>
;; post: (the local binding name is included in the class name)
#<user$eval64$x__a__66 user$eval64$x__a__66@460d4>

As you can see, this last patch not only fixes the two bugs, but also improves fn naming in let contexts by preserving the name of the local binding in the class name, this I believe will be a great improvement in the understandability of stacktraces.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 25/Sep/14 7:00 AM ]

The patch should be changed to not create suffix if it's not going to be used. Please update the patch to inline that into each branch name = nm.name + "__" + RT.nextID();.

I am unsure whether the "enhancement" part of this patch goes too far. I think it does provide some improvements in debugging but those seem small to me. I am somewhat concerned about greatly increasing the name of the class for nested locals thus making it harder to read stack traces. There is a large limit to class name size of 16 bits (what you can put in the constant table) but class names also map to file names and there have historically been issues on some older Windows architectures with file size limits - we are increasing the risk of running into problems with this. Small risks. I am ok with passing this on to Rich though and he can decide whether to kick that part back or not.

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 25/Sep/14 7:08 AM ]

0001-CLJ-1093-v3.patch is identical to 0001-CLJ-1093-v2.patch except it doesn't call RT.nextID() when not necessary, as per Alex's request

Alex, if this is ok please change the "Patch:" field in the description, I won't do that myself since this ticket is now screened

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 06/Oct/14 11:54 AM ]

Addressing the screening comment by Alex Miller, I've attached an alternative patch "0001-CLJ-1093v3-no-locals-improv.patch" which is identical to "0001CLJ-1093-v3.patch" except it doesn't include the local binding name enhancement, so that it can be picked in case Rich decides that that improvement is out of scope for this ticket.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 28/Oct/14 12:05 PM ]

I've reopened this issue based on early reports of breakage due to long file names.

Two reports:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/clojure-dev/hnkJb9_il_M/4e5smM6mVlIJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/clojure/hnkJb9_il_M/QOaTdCo5wmkJ

Comment by Alex Miller [ 28/Oct/14 12:21 PM ]

Here's an example of a class name that is too long on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 64bit / Java8 - reported max file size is 143 chars:

https://github.com/ska2342/nested-fn-breaks-clojure-17/blob/master/src/nested_fn_breaks_clojure_17/core.clj

With 1.6.0: (95 chars)
core$this_function_breaks_with_clojure_1_7$my_anonymous_function_18$iter1923$fn24$fn_25

With 1.7.0-alpha3: (144 chars)
core$this_function_breaks_with_clojure_1_7$my_anonymous_function_my_anonymous_function19$iter4951auto__iter2024$fn25$fn_26.class

With the alternate patch here, the name would be: (95 chars)
core$this_function_breaks_with_clojure_1_7$my_anonymous_function_19$iter2024$fn25$fn_26

Comment by Nicola Mometto [ 28/Oct/14 12:26 PM ]

patch "0001-CLJ-1330-remove-local-binding-name-enhancement.patch" has the same effect of reverting f149260c14a75367dc9eba91cbe9b78110113566 and applying "0001-CLJ-1093-v3-no-locals-improv.patch" in case this is preferable

Comment by Stefan Kamphausen [ 29/Oct/14 7:44 AM ]

The tiny and unusual max file size of 143 is standard in the Ubuntu 12.04 crypto container for the home directory. You can get it for any directory with 'getconf NAME_MAX /path/to/dir'.

My initial problem (other than the file to reproduce on github) was triggered by the fns in a for-expression. Don't know if that makes any difference for you.





[CLJ-1572] into does not work with IReduceInit Created: 24/Oct/14  Updated: 24/Oct/14

Status: Open
Project: Clojure
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: Release 1.7
Fix Version/s: Release 1.7

Type: Defect Priority: Major
Reporter: Alex Miller Assignee: Unassigned
Resolution: Unresolved Votes: 0
Labels: None

Attachments: Text File clj-1572.patch    
Patch: Code
Approval: Incomplete

 Description   

This should work:

(into []
  (reify clojure.lang.IReduceInit
    (reduce [_ f start]
      (reduce f start (range 10)))))
IllegalArgumentException Don't know how to create ISeq from: user$eval5$reify__6
	clojure.lang.RT.seqFrom (RT.java:506)
	clojure.lang.RT.seq (RT.java:487)
	clojure.core/seq--seq--4091 (core.clj:135)
	clojure.core.protocols/seq-reduce (protocols.clj:30)
	clojure.core.protocols/fn--6422 (protocols.clj:42)
	clojure.core.protocols/fn--6369/f--6255--auto----G--6364--6382 (protocols.clj:13)
	clojure.core/reduce (core.clj:6469)
	clojure.core/into (core.clj:6550)


 Comments   
Comment by Alex Miller [ 24/Oct/14 10:40 AM ]

into calls reduce which calls into CollReduce. CollReduce extends to IReduce, but not to IReduceInit. If CollReduce were extended to IReduceInit for the arity it can support, into work as expected in the given example. Patch clj-1572.patch does this.





[CLJ-1424] Feature Expressions Created: 15/May/14  Updated: 13/Oct/14

Status: Open
Project: Clojure
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: None
Fix Version/s: Release 1.7

Type: Enhancement Priority: Major
Reporter: Ghadi Shayban Assignee: Alex Miller
Resolution: Unresolved Votes: 0
Labels: reader

Attachments: File CLJ-1424-2.diff     File clojure-feature-expressions.diff    
Approval: Incomplete

 Description   

Feature expressions based directly on Common Lisp. See Clojure design docs, which includes discussion and links to Common Lisp documentation for feature expressions here: http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/Feature+Expressions

#+ #- and or not
are supported. Unreadable tagged literals are suppressed through the *suppress-read* dynamic var. For example, with *features* being #{:clj}, which is the default, the following should read :foo

#+cljs #js {:one :two} :foo

The initial *features* set can be augmented (clj will always be included) with the clojure.features System property:

-Dclojure.features=production,embedded

Patch: CLJ-1424-2.diff

Questions: Should *suppress-read* override *read-eval*?

Related: CLJS-27, TRDR-14



 Comments   
Comment by Jozef Wagner [ 16/May/14 2:19 AM ]

Has there been a decision that CL syntax is going to be used? Related discussion can be found at design page, google groups discussion and another discussion.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 16/May/14 8:34 AM ]

No, no decisions on anything yet.

Comment by Ghadi Shayban [ 19/May/14 7:25 PM ]

Just to echo a comment from TRDR-14:

This is WIP and just one approach for feature expressions. There seem to be at least two couple diverging approaches emerging from the various discussion (Brandon Bloom's idea of read-time splicing being the other.)

In any case having all Clojure platforms be ready for the change is probably essential. Also backwards compatibility of feature expr code to Clojure 1.6 and below is also not trivial.

Comment by Kevin Downey [ 04/Aug/14 1:39 PM ]

if you have ever tried to do tooling for a language where the "parser" tossed out information or did some partial evaluation, it is a pain. this is basically what the #+cljs style feature expressions and bbloom's read time splicing both do with clojure's reader. I think resolving this at read time instead of having the compiler do it before macro expansion is a huge mistake and makes the reader much less useful for reading code.

Comment by Ghadi Shayban [ 04/Aug/14 2:00 PM ]

Kevin, what kind of tooling use case are you alluding to?

Comment by Kevin Downey [ 04/Aug/14 3:24 PM ]

any use case that involves reading code and not immediately handing it off to the compiler. if I wanted to write a little snippet to read in a function, add an unused argument to every arity then pprint it back, reader resolved feature expressions would not round trip.

if I want to write snippet of code to generate all the methods for a deftype (not a macro, just at the repl write a `for` expression) I can generate a clojure data structure, call pprint on it, then paste it in as code, reader feature expressions don't have a representation as data so I cannot do that, I would have to generate strings directly.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 22/Aug/14 9:10 AM ]

Changing Patch setting so this is not in Screenable yet (as it's still a wip).





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