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[CLJ-1221] Should repackage jsr166 and include known version with Clojure Created: 20/Jun/13  Updated: 03/Sep/13

Status: Open
Project: Clojure
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: Release 1.5
Fix Version/s: None

Type: Enhancement Priority: Major
Reporter: Alex Miller Assignee: Alex Miller
Resolution: Unresolved Votes: 0
Labels: reducers


 Description   

Clojure 1.5 reducers work with either the JDK version of forkjoin (JDK 1.7+) or with an external jsr166 jar. This causes complexity for users and complexity in the build to deal with the two options.

jsr166 code is public domain and it is common for other projects to repackage the handful of files and ship it with the project (similar to what we do with asm). This would allow us just use a known existing version of jsr166 across all jdks and we could get rid of the custom build wrangling we introduced in Clojure 1.5.

jsr166y is compatible with JDK 1.6+ and is the version that (for example) Scala currently repackages. That's the best choice for JDK 1.6 and 1.7. In JDK 1.8, the best choice will (temporarily) be the built-in version in java.util.concurrent which tracks jsr166e but then as soon as there are updates will become jsr166e. Many fork/join fixes are ported to both y and e right now.

Some choices here for JDK 1.8:

  • go for maximal compatibility just use repackaged jsr166y regardless of JDK (simplest)
  • check for jdk version # and use java.util.concurrent instead
  • check for jdk version # and repackage jsr166e and use it instead

Not sure yet which of these is best choice right now.






[CLJ-1773] Support for REPL commands for tooling Created: 01/Jul/15  Updated: 01/Jul/15

Status: Open
Project: Clojure
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: Release 1.7
Fix Version/s: Release 1.8

Type: Enhancement Priority: Major
Reporter: Alex Miller Assignee: Alex Miller
Resolution: Unresolved Votes: 0
Labels: repl

Approval: Incomplete

 Description   

Per http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/Socket+Server+REPL, want to enhance repl to support "commands" useful for nested repls or for parallel tooling repls communicating over sockets (CLJ-1671).

Commands are defined as keywords in the "repl" namespace. The REPL will trap these after reading but before evaluation. Currently this is a closed set, but perhaps it could be open - the server socket repl could then install new ones if desired when repl is invoked.

Commands:

  • :repl/quit - same as Ctrl-D but works in terminal environments where that's not feasible. Allows for backing out of a nested REPL.
  • :repl/push - push the current repl "state" (tbd what that is, but at least ns) to a stateful map in the runtime. Returns coordinates that can be used to retrieve it elsewhere
  • :repl/pull <coords> - retrieves the repl state defined by the coordinates

In the tooling scenario, it is expected that there are two repls - the client repl and the tooling repl. The tooling can send :repl/push over the client repl before startup and retrieve the coordinates (which don't change). Then the tooling repl can call :repl/pull at any time to retrieve the state of the client repl.






[CLJ-1671] Clojure socket server Created: 09/Mar/15  Updated: 08/Jul/15

Status: Open
Project: Clojure
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: Release 1.7
Fix Version/s: Release 1.8

Type: Enhancement Priority: Major
Reporter: Alex Miller Assignee: Alex Miller
Resolution: Unresolved Votes: 0
Labels: repl

Attachments: Text File clj-1671-2.patch     Text File clj-1671-3.patch     Text File clj-1671-4.patch     Text File clj-1671-5.patch     Text File clj-1671-6.patch    
Patch: Code and Test
Approval: Incomplete

 Description   

Programs often want to provide REPLs to users in contexts when a) network communication is desired, b) capturing stdio is difficult, or c) when more than one REPL session is desired. In addition, tools that want to support REPLs and simultaneous conversations with the host are difficult with a single stdio REPL as currently provided by Clojure.

Tooling and users often need to enable a REPL on a program without changing the program, e.g. without asking author or program to include code to start a REPL host of some sort. Thus a solution must be externally and declaratively configured (no user code changes). A REPL is just a special case of a socket service. Rather than provide a socket server REPL, provide a built-in socket server that composes with the existing repl function.

For design background, see: http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/Socket+Server+REPL

Start a socket server by supplying an extra system property:

java -cp clojure.jar:app.jar my.app -Dclojure.server.repl="{:address \"127.0.0.1\" :\port 5555 :accept clojure.repl/repl}"

where options are:

  • address = host or address, defaults to loopback
  • port = port, required
  • accept = namespaced function to invoke on socket accept, required
  • args = sequential collection of args to pass to accept
  • bind-err = defaults to true, binds err to out stream
  • server-daemon = defaults to true, socket server thread doesn't block exit
  • client-daemon = defaults to true, socket client threads don't block exit

If you want to test a repl client with the a repl server, telnet works:

$ telnet 127.0.0.1 5555
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
user=> (+ 1 1)
2
user=> (/ 1 0)
#error {:cause "Divide by zero",
 :via
 [{:type java.lang.ArithmeticException,
   :message "Divide by zero",
   :at [clojure.lang.Numbers divide "Numbers.java" 158]}],
 :trace
 [[clojure.lang.Numbers divide "Numbers.java" 158]  
  [clojure.lang.Numbers divide "Numbers.java" 3808]
  [user1$eval1 invoke "NO_SOURCE_FILE" 1]
  [clojure.lang.Compiler eval "Compiler.java" 6784]
  [clojure.lang.Compiler eval "Compiler.java" 6747]
  [clojure.core$eval invoke "core.clj" 3078]
  [clojure.main$repl$read_eval_print__8287$fn__8290 invoke "main.clj" 265]
  [clojure.main$repl$read_eval_print__8287 invoke "main.clj" 265]
  [clojure.main$repl$fn__8296 invoke "main.clj" 283]
  [clojure.main$repl doInvoke "main.clj" 283]
  [clojure.lang.RestFn invoke "RestFn.java" 619]
  [clojure.main$socket_repl_server$fn__8342$fn__8344 invoke "main.clj" 450]
  [clojure.lang.AFn run "AFn.java" 22]
  [java.lang.Thread run "Thread.java" 724]]}
user1=> (println "hello")
hello
nil

Patch: clj-1671-6.patch (wip - not yet complete)



 Comments   
Comment by Timothy Baldridge [ 09/Mar/15 5:50 PM ]

Could we perhaps keep this as a contrib library? This ticket simply states "The goal is to provide a simple streaming socket repl as part of Clojure." What is the rationale for the "part of Clojure" bit?

Comment by Alex Miller [ 09/Mar/15 7:33 PM ]

We want this to be available as a Clojure.main option. It's all additive - why wouldn't you want it in the box?

Comment by Timothy Baldridge [ 09/Mar/15 10:19 PM ]

It never has really been too clear to me why some features are included in core, while others are kept in contrib. I understand that some are simply for historical reasons, but aside from that there doesn't seem to be too much of a philosophy behind it.

However it should be noted that since patches to clojure are much more guarded it's sometimes nice to have certain features in contrib, that way they can evolve with more rapidity than the one release a year that clojure has been going through.

But aside from those issues, I've found that breaking functionality into modules forces the core of a system to become more configurable. Perhaps I would like to use this repl socket feature, but pipe the data over a different communication protocol, or through a different serializer. If this feature were to be coded as a contrib library it would expose extension points that others could use to add additional functionality.

So I guess, all that to say, I'd prefer a tool I can compose rather than a pre-built solution.

Comment by Rich Hickey [ 10/Mar/15 6:25 AM ]

Please move discussions on the merits of the idea to the dev list. Comments should be about the work of resolving the ticket, approach taken by the patch, quality/perf issues etc.

Comment by Colin Jones [ 11/Mar/15 1:33 PM ]

I see that context (a) of the rationale is that network communication is desired, which sounds to me like users of this feature may want to communicate across hosts (whether in VMs or otherwise). Is that the case?

If so, it seems like specifying the address to bind to (e.g. "0.0.0.0", "::", "127.0.0.1", etc.) may become important as well as the existing port option. This way, someone who wants to communicate across hosts (or conversely, lock down access to local-only) can make that decision.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 11/Mar/15 2:07 PM ]

Colin - agreed. There are many ways to potentially customize what's in there so we need to figure out what's worth doing, both in the function and via the command line.

I think address is clearly worth having via the function and possibly in the command line too.

Comment by Kevin Downey [ 11/Mar/15 5:49 PM ]

I find the exception printing behavior really odd. for a machine you want an exception as data, but you also want some indication of if the data is an error or not, for a human you wanted a pretty printed stacktrace. making the socket repl default to printing errors this way seems to optimize for neither.

Comment by Rich Hickey [ 12/Mar/15 12:29 PM ]

Did you miss the #error tag? That indicates the data is an error. It is likely we will pprint the error data, making it not bad for both purposes

Comment by Alex Miller [ 13/Mar/15 11:29 AM ]

New -4 patch changes:

  • clojure.core/throwable-as-map now public and named clojure.core/Throwable->map
  • catch and ignore SocketException without printing in socket server repl (for client disconnect)
  • functions to print as message and as data are now: clojure.main/err-print and clojure.main/err->map. All defaults and docs updated.
Comment by David Nolen [ 18/Mar/15 12:44 PM ]

Is there any reason to not allow supplying :eval in addition to :use-prompt? In the case of projects like ClojureCLR + Unity eval generally must happen on the main thread. With :eval as something which can be configured, REPL sessions can queue forms to be eval'ed with the needed context (current ns etc.) to the main thread.

Comment by Kevin Downey [ 20/Mar/15 2:12 PM ]

I did see the #error tag, but throwables print with that tag regardless of if they are actually thrown or if they are just the value returned from a function. Admittedly returning exceptions as values is not something generally done, but the jvm does distinguish between a return value and a thrown exception. Having a repl that doesn't distinguish between the two strikes me as an odd design. The repl you get from clojure.main currently prints the message from a thrown uncaught throwable, and on master prints with #error if you have a throwable value, so it distinguishes between an uncaught thrown throwable and a throwable value. That obviously isn't great for tooling because you don't get a good data representation in the uncaught case.

It looks like the most recent patch does pretty print uncaught throwables, which is helpful for humans to distinguish between a returned value and an uncaught throwable.

Comment by Kevin Downey [ 25/Mar/15 1:10 PM ]

alex: saying this is all additive, when it has driven changes to how things are printed, using the global print-method, rings false to me

Comment by Sam Ritchie [ 25/Mar/15 1:15 PM ]

This seems like a pretty big last minute addition for 1.7. What's the rationale for adding it here vs deferring to 1.8, or trying it out as a contrib first?

Comment by Alex Miller [ 25/Mar/15 2:13 PM ]

Kevin: changing the fallthrough printing for things that are unreadable to be readable should be useful regardless of the socket repl. It shouldn't be a change for existing programs (unless they're relying on the toString of objects without print formats).

Sam: Rich wants it in the box as a substrate for tools.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 26/Mar/15 10:03 AM ]

Marking incomplete, pending at least the repl exit question.

Comment by Laurent Petit [ 29/Apr/15 2:18 PM ]

Hello, I intend to work on this, if it appears it still has a good probability of being included in clojure 1.7.
There hasn't been much visible activity on it lately.
What is the current status of the pending question, and do you think it will still make it in 1.7?

Comment by Alex Miller [ 29/Apr/15 2:29 PM ]

This has been pushed to 1.8 and is on my plate. The direction has diverged quite a bit from the original description and we don't expect to modify clojure.main as is done in the prior patches. So, I would recommend not working on it as described here.

Comment by Laurent Petit [ 01/May/15 7:24 AM ]

OK thanks for the update.

Is the discussion about the new design / goal (you say the direction has diverged) available somewhere so that I can keep in touch with what the Hammock Time is producing? Because on my own hammock time I'm doing some mental projections for CCW support of this, based on what is publicly available here -

Also, as soon as you have something available for testing please don't hesitate to ping me, I'll see what I can do to help depending on my schedule. Cheers.

Comment by Alex Miller [ 01/May/15 8:44 AM ]

Some design work is here - http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/Socket+Server+REPL.

Comment by Laurent Petit [ 05/May/15 11:41 AM ]

Thanks for the link. It seems that the design is totally revamped indeed. Better to wait then.

Comment by Andy Fingerhut [ 04/Jul/15 1:21 PM ]

Alex, just a note that the Java method getLoopbackAddress [1] appears to have been added with Java 1.7, so your patches that use that method do not compile with Java 1.6. If the plan was for the next release of Clojure to drop support for Java 1.6 anyway, then no worries.

[1] http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/net/InetAddress.html#getLoopbackAddress%28%29

Comment by Stuart Halloway [ 08/Jul/15 8:31 AM ]

Lifecycle concerns

1. atoms are weak when actions (starting threads / sockets) are coordinated with recorded state (the map)
2. I see why the plumbing needs access to socket, but what is the motivation for expoosing it to outside code, seems like opportunity to break stuff
3. stating a server has a race condition
4. what happens if somebody wants to call start-server explicitly – how do they know whether that happens before or after config-driven process launches
5. what guarantees about when config-driven launch happens, vis-a-vis other startup-y things
6. is there a use for stop-servers other than shutdown?
7. does Clojure now need a shutdown-clojure-resources? I don't want to have to remember shutdown-agents, plus stop-servers, plus whatever we add next year
8. what happens on misconfiguration (e.g. nonexistent namespace)? will other servers still launch? what thread dies, and where does is report? will the app main process die before even reaching the user?

Comment by Alex Miller [ 08/Jul/15 9:12 AM ]

1. it's not in the patch, but the intention is that in the runtime on startup there is a call to (start-servers (System/getProperties)) and generally you're not starting servers on the fly (although it's broken out to make that possible).
2. just trying to make resources available, not sure how much locking down we want/need
3. I'm expecting this to be a startup thing primarily
4. I'm assuming the config-driven process will start in the runtime and thus it will happen first. Not sure how much we need to support the manual stuff - it just seemed like a good idea to make it possible.
5. dunno, haven't looked at where to do that yet. Probably somewhere similar to data_readers stuff?
6. no
7. the threads are daemons by default meaning that it will shut down regardless. If you set the daemon properties to false, then you're in control and need to call stop-servers where it's appropriate.
8. I thought about these questions and do not have good answers. Lots more of that stuff needs to be handled.





[CLJ-124] GC Issue 120: Determine mechanism for controlling automatic shutdown of Agents, with a default policy and mechanism for changing that policy as needed Created: 17/Jun/09  Updated: 23/Aug/14

Status: Open
Project: Clojure
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: Release 1.5, Release 1.6
Fix Version/s: None

Type: Enhancement Priority: Minor
Reporter: Chas Emerick Assignee: Alex Miller
Resolution: Unresolved Votes: 8
Labels: agents

Attachments: Text File clj-124-daemonthreads-v1.patch     Text File clj-124-v1.patch    
Patch: Code
Approval: Vetted
Waiting On: Rich Hickey

 Description   

The original description when this ticket was vetted is below, starting with "Reported by cemer...@snowtide.com, June 01, 2009". This prefix attempts to summarize the issue and discussion.

Description:

Several Clojure functions involving agents and futures, such as future, pmap, clojure.java.shell/sh, and a few others, create non-daemon threads in the JVM in an ExecutorService called soloExecutor created via Executors#newCachedThreadPool. The javadocs for this method here http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/concurrent/Executors.html#newCachedThreadPool%28%29 say "Threads that have not been used for sixty seconds are terminated and removed from the cache." This causes a 60-second wait after a Clojure program is done before the JVM process exits. Questions about this confusing behavior come up a couple of times per year on the Clojure Google group. Search for "shutdown-agents" to find most of these occurrences, since calling (shutdown-agents) at the end of one's program typically eliminates this 60-second wait.

Example:

% java -cp clojure.jar clojure.main -e "(println 1)"
1
[ this case exits quickly ]

% java -cp clojure.jar clojure.main -e "(println @(future 1))"
1
[ 60-second pause before process exits, at least on many platforms and JVMs ]

Summary of comments before July 2014:

Most of the comments on this ticket on or before August 23, 2010 were likely spread out in time before being imported from the older ticket tracking system into JIRA. Most of them refer to an older suggested patch that is not in JIRA, and compilation problems it had with JDK 1.5, which is no longer supported by Clojure 1.6.0. I think these comments can be safely ignored now.

Alex Miller blogged about this and related issues here: http://tech.puredanger.com/2010/06/08/clojure-agent-thread-pools/

Since then, two of the suggestions Alex raised have been addressed. One by CLJ-378 and one by the addition of set-agent-send-executor! and similar functions to Clojure 1.5.0: https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/changes.md#23-clojurecoreset-agent-send-executor-set-agent-send-off-executor-and-send-via

One remaining issue is the topic of this ticket, which is how best to avoid this 60-second pause.

Approach #1: automatically shut down agents

One method is mentioned in Chas Emerick's original description below, suggested by Rich Hickey, but perhaps long enough ago he may no longer endorse it: Create a Var *auto-shutdown-agents* that when true (the default value), clojure.lang.Agent shutdown() is called after the clojure.main entry point. This removes the surprising wait for common methods of starting Clojure, while allowing expert users to change that value to false if desired.

Approach #2: create daemon threads by default

Another method mentioned by several people in the comments is to change the threads created in agent thread pools to daemon threads by default, and perhaps to deprecate shutdown-agents or modify it to be less dangerous. That approach is discussed a bit more in Alex's blog post linked above, and in a comment from Alexander Taggart on July 11, 2011 below.

Approach #3:

The only other comment before 2014 that is not elaborated in this summary is shoover's suggestion: There are already well-defined and intuitive ways to block on agents and futures. Why not deprecate shutdown-agents and force users to call await and deref if they really want to block? In the pmap situation one would have to evaluate the pmap form.

Approach #4: Create a cached thread pool with a timeout much lower than 60 seconds

This could be done by using one of the ThreadPoolExecutor constructors with a keepAliveTime parameter of the desired time.

Patch: clj-124-v1.patch clj-124-daemonthreads-v1.patch

At most one of these patches should be considered, depending upon the desired approach to take.

Patch clj-124-v1.patch implements appproach #1 using *auto-shutdown-agents*. See the Jul 31 2014 comment when this patch was added for some additional details.

Patch clj-124-daemonthreads-v1.patch implements approach #2 and is straightforward.

Reported by cemer...@snowtide.com, Jun 01, 2009

There has been intermittent chatter over the past months from a couple of
people on the group (e.g.
http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/409054e3542adc1f)
and in #clojure about some clojure scripts hanging, either for a constant
time (usually reported as a minute or so with no CPU util) or seemingly
forever (or until someone kills the process).

I just hit a similar situation in our compilation process, which invokes
clojure.lang.Compile from ant.  The build process for this particular
project had taken 15 second or so, but after adding a couple of pmap calls,
that build time jumped to ~1:15, with roughly zero CPU utilization over the
course of that last minute.

Adding a call to Agent.shutdown() in the finally block in
clojure.lang.Compile/main resolved the problem; a patch including this
change is attached.  I wouldn't suspect anyone would have any issues with
such a change.

-----
In general, it doesn't seem like everyone should keep tripping over this
problem in different directions.  It's a very difficult thing to debug if
you're not attuned to how clojure's concurrency primitives work under the
hood, and I would bet that newer users would be particularly affected.

After discussion in #clojure, rhickey suggested adding a
*auto-shutdown-agents* var, which:

- if true when exiting one of the main entry points (clojure.main, or the
legacy script/repl entry points), Agent.shutdown() would be called,
allowing for the clean exit of the application

- would be bound by default to true

- could be easily set to false for anyone with an advanced use-case that
requires agents to remain active after the main thread of the application
exits.

This would obviously not help anyone initializing clojure from a different
entry point, but this may represent the best compromise between
least-surprise and maximal functionality for advanced users.

------

In addition to the above, it perhaps might be worthwhile to change the
keepalive values used to create the Threadpools used by c.l.Actor's
Executors.  Currently, Actor uses a default thread pool executor, which
results in a 60s keepalive.  Lowering this to something much smaller (1s?
5s?) would additionally minimize the impact of Agent's threadpools on Java
applications that embed clojure directly (and would therefore not benefit
from *auto-shutdown-agents* as currently conceived, leading to puzzling
'hanging' behaviour).  I'm not in a position to determine what impact this
would have on performance due to thread churn, but it would at least
minimize what would be perceived as undesirable behaviour by users that are
less familiar with the implementation details of Agent and code that
depends on it.

Comment 1  by cemer...@snowtide.com, Jun 01, 2009

Just FYI, I'd be happy to provide patches for either of the suggestions mentioned
above...


 Comments   
Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

Converted from http://www.assembla.com/spaces/clojure/tickets/124
Attachments:
compile-agent-shutdown.patch - https://www.assembla.com/spaces/clojure/documents/a56S2ow4ur3O2PeJe5afGb/download/a56S2ow4ur3O2PeJe5afGb
124-compilation.diff - https://www.assembla.com/spaces/clojure/documents/aqn0IGxZSr3RUGeJe5aVNr/download/aqn0IGxZSr3RUGeJe5aVNr

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

oranenj said: [file:a56S2ow4ur3O2PeJe5afGb]

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

richhickey said: Updating tickets (#8, #19, #30, #31, #126, #17, #42, #47, #50, #61, #64, #69, #71, #77, #79, #84, #87, #89, #96, #99, #103, #107, #112, #113, #114, #115, #118, #119, #121, #122, #124)

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

cemerick said: (In [[r:fa3d24973fc415b35ae6ec8d84b61ace76bd4133]]) Add a call to Agent.shutdown() at the end of clojure.lang.Compile/main Refs #124

Signed-off-by: Chouser <chouser@n01se.net>

Branch: master

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

chouser@n01se.net said: I'm closing this ticket to because the attached patch solves a specific problem. I agree that the idea of an auto-shutdown-agents var sounds like a positive compromise. If Rich wants a ticket to track that issue, I think it'd be best to open a new ticket (and perhaps mention this one there) rather than use this ticket to track further changes.

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

scgilardi said: With both Java 5 and Java 6 on Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard I'm getting an error when compiling with this change present.

Java 1.5.0_19
Java 1.6.0_13

For example, when building clojure using "ant" from within my clone of the clojure repo:

[java] java.security.AccessControlException: access denied (java.lang.RuntimePermission modifyThread)
[java] at java.security.AccessControlContext.checkPermission(AccessControlContext.java:264)
[java] at java.security.AccessController.checkPermission(AccessController.java:427)
[java] at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.shutdown(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:894)
[java] at clojure.lang.Agent.shutdown(Agent.java:34)
[java] at clojure.lang.Compile.main(Compile.java:71)

I reproduced this on two Mac OS X 10.5 machines. I'm not aware of having any enhanced security policies along these lines on my machines. The compile goes fine for me with Java 1.6.0_0 on an Ubuntu box.

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

chouser@n01se.net said: I had only tested it on my ubuntu box – looks like that was openjdk 1.6.0_0. I'll test again with sun-java5 and sun-java6.

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

chouser@n01se.net said: 1.6.0_13 worked fine for me on ubuntu, but 1.5.0_18 generated an the exception Steve pasted. Any suggestions? Should this patch be backed out until someone has a fix?

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

achimpassen said: [file:aqn0IGxZSr3RUGeJe5aVNr]

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

chouser@n01se.net said: With Achim's patch, clojure compiles for me on ubuntu using java 1.5.0_18 from sun, and still works on 1.6.0_13 sun and 1.6.0_0 openjdk. I don't know anything about ant or the security error, but this is looking good to me.

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

achimpassen said: It works for me on 1.6.0_13 and 1.5.0_19 (32 and 64 bit) on OS X 10.5.7.

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

chouser@n01se.net said: (In [[r:895b39dabc17b3fd766fdbac3b0757edb0d4b60d]]) Rev fa3d2497 causes compile to fail on some VMs – back it out. Refs #124

Branch: master

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

mikehinchey said: I got the same compile error on both 1.5.0_11 and 1.6.0_14 on Windows. Achim's patch fixes both.

See the note for "permissions" on http://ant.apache.org/manual/CoreTasks/java.html . I assume ThreadPoolExecutor.shutdown is the problem, it would shutdown the main Ant thread, so Ant disallows that. Forking avoids the permissions limitation.

In addition, since the build error still resulted in "BUILD SUCCESSFUL", I think failonerror="true" should also be added to the java call so the build would totally fail for such an error.

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

chouser@n01se.net said: I don't know if the <java fork=true> patch is a good idea or not, or if there's a better way to solve the original problem.

Chas, I'm kicking back to you, but I guess if you don't want it you can reassign to "nobody".

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

richhickey said: Updating tickets (#8, #42, #113, #2, #20, #94, #96, #104, #119, #124, #127, #149, #162)

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

shoover said: I'd like to suggest an alternate approach. There are already well-defined and intuitive ways to block on agents and futures. Why not deprecate shutdown-agents and force users to call await and deref if they really want to block? In the pmap situation one would have to evaluate the pmap form.

The System.exit problem goes away if you configure the threadpools to use daemon threads (call new ThreadPoolExecutor and pass a thread factory that creates threads and sets daemon to true). That way the user has an explicit means of blocking and System.exit won't hang.

Comment by Assembla Importer [ 24/Aug/10 12:45 AM ]

alexdmiller said: I blogged about these issues at:
http://tech.puredanger.com/2010/06/08/clojure-agent-thread-pools/

I think that:

  • agent thread pool threads should be named (see ticket #378)
  • agent thread pools must be daemon threads by default
  • having ways to specify an customized executor pool for an agent send/send-off is essential to customize threading behavior
  • (shutdown-agents) should be either deprecated or made less dangerous
Comment by Alexander Taggart [ 11/Jul/11 9:33 PM ]

Rich, what is the intention behind using non-daemon threads in the agent pools?

If it is because daemon threads could terminate before their work is complete, would it be acceptable to add a shutdown hook to ensure against such premature termination? Such a shutdown hook could call Agent.shutdown(), then awaitTermination() on the pools.

Comment by Christopher Redinger [ 27/Nov/12 3:47 PM ]

Moving this ticket out of approval "OK" status, and dropping the priority. These were Assembla import defaults.

Also, Chas gets to be the Reporter now.

Comment by Chas Emerick [ 27/Nov/12 5:56 PM ]

Heh, blast from the past.

The comment import appears to have set their timestamps to the date of the import, so the conversation is pretty hard to follow, and obviously doesn't benefit from the intervening years of experience. In addition, there have been plenty of changes to agents, including some recent enhancements that address some of the pain points that Alex Miller mentioned above.

I propose closing this as 'invalid' or whatever, and opening one or more new issues to track whatever issues still persist (presumably based on fresh ML discussion, etc).

Comment by Andy Fingerhut [ 27/Nov/12 6:11 PM ]

Rereading the original description of this ticket, without reading all of the comments that follow, that description is still right on target for the behavior of latest Clojure master today.

People send messages to the Clojure Google group every couple of months hitting this issue, and one even filed CLJ-959 because of hitting it. I have updated the examples on ClojureDocs.org for future, and also for pmap and clojure.java.shell/sh which use future in their implementations, to warn people about this and explain that they should call (shutdown-agents), but making it unnecessary to call shutdown-agents would be even better, at least as the default behavior. It sounds fine to me to provide a way for experts on thread behavior to change that default behavior if they need to.

Comment by Andy Fingerhut [ 31/Jul/14 6:39 PM ]

Patch clj-124-v1.patch dated Jul 31 2014 implements the approach of calling clojure.lang.Agent#shutdown when the new Var *auto-shutdown-agents* is true, which is its default value.

I don't see any benefit to making this Var dynamic. Unless I am missing something, only the root binding value is visible after clojure.main/main returns, not any binding that would be pushed on top of that if it were dynamic. It seems to require alter-var-root to change it to false in a way that this patch would avoid calling clojure.lang.Agent#shutdown.

This patch only adds the shutdown call to clojure.main#main, but can easily be added to the legacy_repl and legacy_script methods if desired.

Comment by Andy Fingerhut [ 23/Aug/14 11:49 AM ]

Patch clj-124-daemonthreads-v1.patch dated Aug 23 2014 simply modifies the ThreadFactory so that every thread created in an agent thread pool is a daemon thread.





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